on the other hand, as i said, he would be, by the standards of pentagon leadership, which is its own metric, he would be a more liberal, more reformist voice for a more multilateral and constrained pentagon policy, yet he's running into all this opposition. >> exactly, and if you look at people opposing him, these are neocons because he stood up to cheney when cheney had the vader hat on. he was strong enough to stand up to his party on the iraq war. for the love of god, last time i checked, president obama is the president of the united states. we don't have to personally love each and every one of them. it's his choice. let us stop having neoconservatives in the senate choose the entire obama cabinet. >> in theory, i think you're right. in practice -- >> that means he doesn't agree with you. >> i think you make good points. the truth is the person who's going to set the policy and agenda is barack obama. he's very hands on. it's really a symbolic fight. the question is do you need a symbolic fight when you can get somebody else to do what you want just as well without going through